tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post8553724815595508400..comments2023-10-05T10:29:39.439+01:00Comments on Catholic Collar And Tie: The Remnant of the Flock of ChristAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049074568745678686noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-23632143872533010172015-02-18T20:09:48.807+00:002015-02-18T20:09:48.807+00:00Thanks for sharing this David.
I do think the EF c...Thanks for sharing this David.<br />I do think the EF can become the dominant form again, especially as Tradition takes a greater hold on the younger generations -this is therefore going to be a long-term outcome. but I think if it is truly the Form most pleasing to God -as i believe it is- it will come. One of the strengths of the Catholic Church is that it has always been the Church of every man, having within its fold devout, poor, working class souls and royalty. It can return to this with the ebb and tide of history and the swing of the pendulum. The SSPX won't return until they see Tradition (which is wider than the Mass) regain its place in Rome, and that will be the time when the Church begins to return to normal -not abandoning Vatican II but truly putting it into continuity with Tradition. I have a dream...as Dr martin Luther King once famously said!Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-20305888582464254982015-02-18T18:39:41.500+00:002015-02-18T18:39:41.500+00:00You know, Fr Gary, that some of us were talking a ...You know, Fr Gary, that some of us were talking a few days ago among other things about the SSPX. I share your thoughts that they remain as a thorn to remind the Church of what we have lost. I can never ever see the EF Mass being the standard in the Church & can only see further liberties taken by some (few) priests with the OF Mass, liberties which must upset all but the most entrenched liberals. We felt that once the SSPX is reconciled with Rome that it will become the Catholic 'High' Church very much in the mould of the Anglican Church. Does that sound possible? The biggest concern for we laity is where priests (like yourself) who love the EF will be? Will you simply carry on celebrating both forms or will you be expected to simply say the OF albeit properly? No doubt many clergy have had these thoughts.David O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-54513868020310821312015-02-17T11:58:15.548+00:002015-02-17T11:58:15.548+00:00Thank you for this.
I'm pleased to be able to ...Thank you for this.<br />I'm pleased to be able to promote this magazine for you.<br />http://reginamag.com/current-issue/ <br />God Bless. Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-43373770482059513202015-02-16T23:22:03.182+00:002015-02-16T23:22:03.182+00:00Hi Father,
You might be interested in this speci...Hi Father, <br /><br />You might be interested in this special issue of Regina Magazine profiling "Amazing Parishes", two of which are in England - New Brighton's Sts. Peter,Paul and Philomena and St Aloysius in Oxford. Link: http://reginamag.com/current-issue/Dave Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14125219877561369565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-91763424156916660672015-02-16T17:33:26.510+00:002015-02-16T17:33:26.510+00:00Thank you.
Do keep up the blog, comment-option or ...Thank you.<br />Do keep up the blog, comment-option or not. The Information bloggers share is what is important aspect of any apostolate -comment forums for discussion are an added bonus, but not the main aim, i would say.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-76468123948120594692015-02-16T11:51:12.912+00:002015-02-16T11:51:12.912+00:00Dear Father,
May we just pass on our sincere than...Dear Father,<br /><br />May we just pass on our sincere thanks to Mary Patricia for those kind and supportive words?<br /><br />We are presently trying to work out what to do about updating both our website and apostolate. A few years ago, we had that 'contact us' facility working and a 'members' page' too. Sadly, hackers got in by contacting us through the latter, damaged the site and sent out hostile e-mails purporting to be from us to all our members!<br /><br />The chap who built our web-site blanked off the ''contact-us'' button's function and we deleted the members' page to protect it from further attacks.<br /><br />It can seem a little isolating when no-one can leave messages, but seemed the best thing at the time.<br /><br />Anyway, thanks again Mary Patricia for reading and for taking time to leave that message. May God bless you and your family for all you have endured for the True Faith!<br /><br />In Christ<br />Alan and Angeline<br /><br /> torchofthefaithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09128214322674215841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-56656698251824596932015-02-16T01:55:06.250+00:002015-02-16T01:55:06.250+00:00Happy to publish more than one comment -especially...Happy to publish more than one comment -especially when so appropriate!<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-38933888240907824472015-02-16T00:18:23.885+00:002015-02-16T00:18:23.885+00:00Dear Rev Father,
I hope that you allow a second c...Dear Rev Father,<br /><br />I hope that you allow a second comment but I think that it is one that is worth making. On 13th June, 1970, Dr Eric de Saventhem the first President of the International Federation Una Voce made a wonderfully prophetic speech in New York in which he said: <br /><br />"Fourthly -- and this is most important: GET THE YOUNG. Without knowing it yet, they desperately need a liturgy that is richer in content and expression than mere "dialogue" (of which they get more than enough in all other spheres of Church life), mere entertainment or even catechesis -- richer than togetherness or an exercise in "sensitivity" (or should we say insensitivity") training. They need the atmosphere of withdrawal, of recollection, of the true "laus Dei" which is totally different from brashly praising the "Lord of the Universe" through man's own feats or progress. They need the encounter, indeed: the confrontation with the "sign of contradiction," re-presented every day in the "Mysterium Tremendum" of Holy Mass .<br /><br />A renaissance will come: asceticism and adoration as the mainspring of direct total dedication to Christ will return. Confraternities of priests, vowed to celibacy and to an intense life of prayer and meditation will be formed. Religious will regroup themselves into houses of "strict observance." A new form of "Liturgical Movement" will come into being, led by young priests and attracting mainly young people, in protest against the flat, prosaic, philistine or delirious liturgies which will soon overgrow and finally smother even the recently revised rites.<br /><br />It is vitally important that these new priests and religious, these new young people with ardent hearts, should find -- if only in a corner of the rambling mansion of the Church -- the treasure of a truly sacred liturgy still glowing softly in the night. And it is our task – since we have been given the grace to appreciate the value of this heritage -- to preserve it from spoliation, from becoming buried out of sight, despised and therefore lost forever. It is our duty to keep it alive: by our own loving attachment, by our support for the priests who make it shine in our churches, by our apostolate at all levels of persuasion."<br /><br />It has been the role of the Una Voce Federation for the past 50 years "to appreciate the value of this heritage -- to preserve it from spoliation, from becoming buried out of sight, despised and therefore lost forever." <br /><br />Everything that Dr de Saventhem forecast has come true and the cornerstone of the Church, the traditional Mass, has been restored. It is still early days in the recovery but it cannot be stopped, no matter how much the dying embers of the 1960s try to stifle it and hold it back. Leo Darrochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-2002847897806033942015-02-15T19:21:16.037+00:002015-02-15T19:21:16.037+00:00Thank you.
I'm happy indeed to share Longskirt...Thank you.<br />I'm happy indeed to share Longskirts verse!<br />and thank you for the quoted verse on Pelagius by who knows who?<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-51589672030405458282015-02-15T19:19:43.476+00:002015-02-15T19:19:43.476+00:00Thank you, Marypatricia.
Alan and Angeline will ha...Thank you, Marypatricia.<br />Alan and Angeline will have seen your appreciation, here, I'm sure. <br />Your father has left you a great example; it is when all is collapsing around us that the gift of Faith really begins to show through.<br />God Bless.<br />PS Its fine to use anonymous when you give a name as you have; it can aid discussion between commentators.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-46137603120565688432015-02-15T19:16:45.528+00:002015-02-15T19:16:45.528+00:00Thank you, and indeed: Prayer, penance and (final)...Thank you, and indeed: Prayer, penance and (final) Perseverance. Along with the Rosary, the weapon hated by Satan.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-77335473137170647342015-02-15T17:07:46.254+00:002015-02-15T17:07:46.254+00:00Another excellent commentary, Father...the new wil...Another excellent commentary, Father...the new will eventually give first place back to the old, in God's good time, of course. In the meantime, its hard to see, let alone understand, the confusion in doctrine and morals that reign in the modern Church, and it is the remnants of which you speak that will eventually be the catalyst for the change, I believe. The 3 P's - prayer, penance and perseverance - are still needed, though not much asked for now days, for the Pope, Cardinals, Bishops and the Church. <br /><br />Dave Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14125219877561369565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-69991972219629590322015-02-15T15:37:41.310+00:002015-02-15T15:37:41.310+00:00Thank you Father for all your thoughtful, balanced...Thank you Father for all your thoughtful, balanced posts. Bloggers like yourself have given me great comfort in these times. It was such a relief to find out that other faithful Catholics were having the same doubts and fears as I was.<br /> If you don't mind I would also like to thank Alan and Angeline for the same thing as there seems to be no way to contact them on their blog.<br />My father was also a convert and suffered for it as indeed our whole family did. It was not easy in N.Ireland in the 40's, 50's and 60's. He never complained, but near the end of his life he did wonder why they had changed the Mass and the churches. Like Alan's friend it was not the church he converted to and his life must have been harder because of that. Still, he remained true to Catholic teaching, the Mass, even if it had changed, and the rosary. I hope that I can do the same even if everything seems to be collapsing around us.<br /><br />marypatricia--<br /><br />sorry- I don't know what an open ID or URL is so have to use anonymous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-48253004090110113952015-02-15T10:44:48.581+00:002015-02-15T10:44:48.581+00:00Father,
Please excuse, but I think Long Skirts re...Father,<br /><br />Please excuse, but I think Long Skirts reflections are so good.<br /><br />Her latest reminded me of that old Sussex ballad noted by one Hilaire Belloc, I'm told??, on Pelagius. It goes, <br /><br /><br />Now whether you found eternal joy<br />Or sank forever to burn<br />It had nothing to do with the Church my boy<br />But was your own concern<br /><br />Oh he didn't believe in Adam or Eve<br />He put no faith therein<br />His doubts began With the Fall of Man <br />And he laughed at Original Sin<br /><br />Now it seems to me that applies exactly to those who will believe that after the Synod on the Family, they can have their cake and eat it?<br /><br />Not too off-topic I trust,<br /><br />Yours, jacobi<br /><br />Promethean Neo-pelagian, (apparently?).<br /><br />ps must rush, off to Mass. Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-77700097221036420912015-02-15T09:25:15.182+00:002015-02-15T09:25:15.182+00:00Thank you Greg.
One of the things we all need to d...Thank you Greg.<br />One of the things we all need to do is discuss issues rather than persons and leave aside the negative tags we attach to people. It has to be said that most such tags are applied to those who are faithful to Tradition: temple police, Pharisees, bean counters (and rabbits)? Keep the website going!<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-34193481613717113732015-02-15T04:39:49.796+00:002015-02-15T04:39:49.796+00:00Once again Fr Gary you have delivered a great post...Once again Fr Gary you have delivered a great post. Amen. Here in Australia, in the sea of liberalism, remnant is a derogatory term. There are many bishops and priests who no longer subscribe to the tradional priesthood of Christ as it was handed down by the Apostles, and the Church of the past. The Australian hierarchy have their own 'new cultural' vision. Into The Deep(see stoneswillshout.com/wp) has been a public voice of the devout, faithful and orthodox Catholics and the defender of the Church's faith and morals for over 10 years now, and we are still going strong. During this period we have been maligned in the Church by the hierarchy, religious and disaffected laity, and have been called delators, temple police and Taliban Catholics when we have publicly applied the blow torch to their liberal Protestant words and actions. Your blog has been music to my heart and ears. Once again, it has been grace upon grace. Thanks.Gregkangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701337405994375544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-27710713403699851892015-02-14T21:57:51.205+00:002015-02-14T21:57:51.205+00:00Thanks again.
Indeed, sometimes Traditionalists -a...Thanks again.<br />Indeed, sometimes Traditionalists -and modernisers- do their cause no good by being extreme in some things. I know of one lady who would not receive at the TLM any Hosts consecrated at a Novus Ordo Mass, and a priest ordained prior to 1960 who called the TLM 'evil -its just plain evil'. I knew him well so I was shocked at his hostility.<br />As for the SSPX,, I have to admire their commitment, and I'm glad they remain a force to be reckoned with, but I do wish the Archbishop had waited until the date of August 15th (the date promised by Rome for the consecration of a Bishop) had come and gone, because it would have proved he was right to suspect Rome was waiting for him to die so that the SSPX would die with him. His action in June, just six weeks before that August date, was an act of disobedience to a Pope he recognised as legitimate (he was not a sedevcantist) and thus he acted in grave disobedience to the Vicar of Christ. He knew the Code would excommunicate him and those he consecrated. I became a firm supporter of the FFSP afger that, since I felt they had the courage to stand by the Archbishop's stance of fidelity to Christ's Vicar on earth. <br />Its all a very complicated topic but I would say that I am still glad that the SSPX remain as a thorn in the side of those in Rome who are hostile to Tradition, but I still wish the Archbishop had waited those six weeks. Bishop Castro Mayer (the co-consecrator) was not dying and could have undertaken the consecration in August had the Archbishop not lived. The SSPX could even have applied to an Old Catholic Bishop for a consecration, so I'm not sure the Archbishop's action was entirely justified. he remains however, one of the great missionary figures of the 20th century and a man whose reasoning against some of the texts found in the Vatican II documents still need to be answered by Rome.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-39056030601668616152015-02-14T18:47:34.174+00:002015-02-14T18:47:34.174+00:00I agree with your sentiments entirely! The sad th...I agree with your sentiments entirely! The sad thing about many "traditionalists" is that they are guilty of "picking and choosing" when it suits them and this is what my website gently satirises. With regard to the SSPX, in charity is must be pointed out that they are not in good standing with the Church and their bishops are not in communion with the Pope. People forget that Archbishop Lefebvre was not excommunicated because he loved the Traditional Latin Mass. He was excommunicated because he did something gravely against the teaching of the Catholic Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-56958188975360078442015-02-14T18:19:28.324+00:002015-02-14T18:19:28.324+00:00Thank you, again.
lets hope they haven't trave...Thank you, again.<br />lets hope they haven't travelled so far to the right that they are rounding the bend to the left! We will all need to realign once the diabolically determined crisis is over...only Satan is wicked enough to use the virtue of obedience to destroy obedience to Tradition!<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-1361161229632087332015-02-14T17:34:38.055+00:002015-02-14T17:34:38.055+00:00I believe they ARE the remnant!!I believe they ARE the remnant!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-81351546682712053392015-02-14T12:27:20.727+00:002015-02-14T12:27:20.727+00:00Thank you.
I love the quote from St Edmund Campio...Thank you. <br />I love the quote from St Edmund Campion!<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-7274408991921057382015-02-14T12:26:11.780+00:002015-02-14T12:26:11.780+00:00Thank you.
Do you include them? I have no knowledg...Thank you.<br />Do you include them? I have no knowledge of these piuos gents!<br />God BlessFr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-62160003787846439452015-02-14T11:38:37.731+00:002015-02-14T11:38:37.731+00:00Dear Father,
Thank you for all your writings here...Dear Father,<br /><br />Thank you for all your writings here. They are a great encouragement to all who are trying to keep the Faith.<br /><br />Whenever we read that line from Robert De Piante we are reminded of the words of St. Edmund Campion. When the disgraceful verdict of 'Treason' was delivered, he announced: ''In condemning us, you condemn all your own ancestors, all our ancient bishops and kings, all that was once the glory of England - the island of saints, and the most devoted child of the See of Peter.''<br /><br />Back in the 80's a holy old priest helped my parents and I (Alan) to see the truth of this. He was - like my parents and I - a former Anglican. He was also a former husband, father, grandfather and bank manager! He and his wife converted and, after she passed to her eternal reward, he became a priest.<br /><br />He was very orthodox and still wore his biretta to process in for the NO. Like Newman, he helped us to see that 'to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.''<br /><br />He once said ''This is not the Church I joined.'' Although we did not understand it at the time - and realise that the True Church will always be - we do understand it now, only too painfully.<br /><br />He collapsed and died during Holy Mass, some time around 1989. May he rest in peace.<br /><br />In the last few years we have learned so much more about Tradition - and continue to do so. Blogs like yours are a great help.<br /><br />Thanks too, to all your commentators who help us to see we are not alone!<br />Alan (and Angeline).torchofthefaithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09128214322674215841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-88470576943415220092015-02-14T10:22:46.138+00:002015-02-14T10:22:46.138+00:00Do you include the Society of Such Pious Gents as ...Do you include the Society of Such Pious Gents as part of the remnant?! <br /><br />www.thesocietyofsuchpiousgents.blogspot.co.uk <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-59498800548635046922015-02-14T10:11:24.764+00:002015-02-14T10:11:24.764+00:00Thank you Pat.
I will look up that programme mysel...Thank you Pat.<br />I will look up that programme myself.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.com