tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post7891787683648502169..comments2023-10-05T10:29:39.439+01:00Comments on Catholic Collar And Tie: Forward Together in Hope -or into lamentation?Andrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049074568745678686noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-31942468765276279832017-02-06T15:53:28.522+00:002017-02-06T15:53:28.522+00:00Thank you, Sixupman,
We see it not only in France ...Thank you, Sixupman,<br />We see it not only in France but elsewhere; it is the Church aping the world where the idea that if anyone is gong to have their dignity affirmed it means by not having their options limited. <br />Sad that the Bishop could not point out the parish anniversary of a prisdt in the parish, and seemed dismissive of being in the Confessional. My fear for FTIH will create, as you indicate, a promotion of "priests reduced to scurrying around Confecting The Sacrament and leaving it at to the 'in' laity..." It will then be a case of promoting the very situation over which Our Lord lamented. Sad reflection on the spirituality of today; 'we have moved beyond Christ' comes to mind.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-26413642149063472532017-02-06T15:48:19.182+00:002017-02-06T15:48:19.182+00:00Thank you Paul.
I think involving the laity is vit...Thank you Paul.<br />I think involving the laity is vital today, but not a sheep without shepherds. I simply fear that FTIH will be a programme of closure and decapitation of communities. I see nothing positive in that.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-53306706229303161202017-02-06T14:27:24.205+00:002017-02-06T14:27:24.205+00:00In my opinion, one of the biggest mistakes the H&a...In my opinion, one of the biggest mistakes the H&N diocese made was not inviting in one of the traditional orders . Many neighbouring areas have reaped the rewards of doing so. ( one need only look at the huge success of the Oratorians in York to see the positive effects ).<br />This 'Forward in Hope' plan, seems to me, to adopt a 'lay down and die' attitude, and a 'do what we' can strategy.<br />We need priests and they will only appear again when the Gospel is taught is a clear, orthodox and unambiguous way in both school and seminary.<br />Paul Dewhurst Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-79452522193212155002017-02-06T13:19:23.891+00:002017-02-06T13:19:23.891+00:00Glad to see you are hanging-in there! My diocesan...Glad to see you are hanging-in there! My diocesan bishop, a'company-man' from head to toe, has inaugurated a programmme: "Strengthening our presence as church: a journey of hope" involving the re-structuring of parishes. Closures and disposals to follow.[Check "Angelqueen" this a.m.:"Vacant Catholic Church will become Mosque" for outrageous example in USA.] Adjacent diocesan bishops have co-opted FSSP, ICKSP, et al to alleviate the problem and, at the same time, save relatively iconic churches. So far my bishop appears not so inclined even to invite the Ordinariate to take-up a to be vacant church [too Catholic in worship perhaps?] Laity and Permanent Diaconate his answer [unusual diocese as to absence of any P.D. to-date - unlike Liverpool who cite their wives in the Directory.] There is one great church with superb wide public transport connections scheduled for closure - but its location in a strong Muslim area may well dictate an end use - though ideal for SSPX [some chance]. My bishop preached at a Traditional parish, shortly after arising, on a lay-led church - it was also the first anniversary of a curate at that church, but no mention. Bishop in relation to the same church, upon hearing the parish priest was in the Confessional - opined: "good luck to him", implying a waste of time. As I see it priests are to be reduced to scurrying around Confecting The Sacrament and leaving it at to the 'in' laity - I have witnessed such in France, it will now be with us. The bishop also promotes Laeticia, et al. Sixupmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486627001579821658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-90110639418086727972017-02-05T00:47:41.712+00:002017-02-05T00:47:41.712+00:00Thank you, David.
I do hope the questioner at the ...Thank you, David.<br />I do hope the questioner at the meeting was not so forcibly put down. How sad that the question was not answered in a way which affirms the need for shepherds. <br />I think you are right that schools should retain a Catholic ethos, but I think it needs to be recovered before it can be preserved and fostered. I do not object to Muslim children taking up unused places; without full numbers our schools will close -added to which Muslims might be more likely to challenge weak moral teaching on life issues in the classroom.<br />That two potential shepherds have been turned away is sad too, but some experience of life can be good. In my case, having worked as Registered Nurse in critical care units, acute surgical wards and medical wards, I came with a lot of experience in people-management and dealing with families in crisis situations. I was not well accepted by the priests in my first deanery because, I was told by the bishop, they thought I was too confident for a newly ordained priest. I was in my mid thirties by that time too. I suspect what they meant was I was too committed to Tradition and too ready to have my say. So they best think twice if they want prospective students to have life experience and confidence when, it seems, they really want to mould 'boys' into their own preferred preferred shape.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-56773391314161348292017-02-05T00:33:58.004+00:002017-02-05T00:33:58.004+00:00Thank you, GC.
I hope 'Forward Together' d...Thank you, GC.<br />I hope 'Forward Together' does not omit a solid vocations push; my fear is that it will, and I'm with Our Lord on wanting shepherds for the sheep.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-30110033276128491302017-02-04T19:07:33.031+00:002017-02-04T19:07:33.031+00:00Glad to see you back Father. Happy New Year.
Whil...Glad to see you back Father. Happy New Year.<br /><br />While I totally agree with you about encouraging vocations to the priesthood, I must admit that I am wary of any vocations to the priesthood in the pontificate of Francis. Good grief...if it's possible, we would be in more trouble than we are now. <br /><br />I am joining the FSSP parish in my city. The priest in charge of our parish has decreased the amount of times confession is available, and he put out guidelines for when one should go for confession. ...he's worried about people being much too scrupulous in this day and age. Imagine!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-67393678084670164172017-02-04T15:15:24.101+00:002017-02-04T15:15:24.101+00:00Well said Father Gary. What concerns me is that Fo...Well said Father Gary. What concerns me is that Forward in Faith seems to omit any planning for the future of the priesthood. It has been said that at one of the initial meetings the question was posed about this very subject & the questioner was put down, quite forcibly, from the podium.<br /><br />I am proud to call myself a traditional Catholic but I find it worrying that some of the upper echelons of the lay leadership seem to find this abhorrent. If I may quote just one instance; I wrote to Northern Cross (as is my wont) concerned about the number of Muslim children attending our (mainly secondary) schools. This concern had been flagged up nationally as being of concern. Because of my letter I was removed from the Diocesan Appeal Panel although I am an experienced panellist & chairman & have served to diocese for many years. Should we not, as Catholics, expect that our Catholic schools should retain a Catholic ethos which is not watered down to pander to the PC brigade? Our people still pay a great deal to maintain our schools & yet there is a sizeable minority of non Catholic teachers there. It has been said (see NX February 2017 letters) than such a mix helps our children but what they forget that there is only One, Catholic & Apostolic Church & all else are false religions. It was only late in the 1950s that Catholics were allowed to be present at non Catholic services & I think that in hindsight we can see why. <br /><br />I know, personally, of 2 young men (in their 20s) who put themselves forward as candidates for the diocesan priesthood & were both sent away to get more experience of the world.David O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.com