tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post7820677194805912509..comments2023-10-05T10:29:39.439+01:00Comments on Catholic Collar And Tie: Those loyal to Vatican II...et alAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049074568745678686noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-982140843555154812014-01-24T00:10:57.812+00:002014-01-24T00:10:57.812+00:00Thank you, viterbo.
Invincible ignorance is ignor...Thank you, viterbo.<br /><br />Invincible ignorance is ignorance due to no fault of one’s own. If leading Churchmen (as some do) fail to encourage people to come into the whole truth, they have really done them and the Lord an injustice: all men have a right to the fullness of truth, and those who have the fullness have a probably have a commensurate duty to present it. Not wanting to offend people is not a good reason for failing to share the truth with them.<br /><br />And no worries about “going off topic”: ambiguity was not always part and parcel of Catecheis; clarity was the name of the game. There may be grey areas in how we deal with people pastorally when there are choices and degrees of action, but there are no grey areas in doctrine: truth is truth and error is error; the two cannot co-exist, and half right means half wrong (or at least ‘half lacking’).<br />Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-42398476538548971072014-01-23T23:40:43.066+00:002014-01-23T23:40:43.066+00:00Thanks for your reply, Father. is this the 'in...Thanks for your reply, Father. is this the 'invincible ignorance' teaching? What I find very confusing is when prominent Church-men seem not only to be being over-sensitive to other people who have not had an experience of supernatural faith so as to not encourage them into the Truth, but even to be encouraging other 'people of faith' to continue in lies, either to placate or, who can say? <br /><br />This seems very much at odds with how the Church used to think about false faiths. It seems a sin to even use the term false faith anymore, but the apostles were very clear about these things. When Pope Benedict reintroduced a prayer for the conversion of Jewish people, it was a 'scandal', whereas it feels more of a scandal to not pray that everyone comes into the One, True Faith. Things seem so upside down. <br /><br />God Bless. 'scuse going off the post topic except to say that ambiguity seems to be part and parcel of catechesis these days - maybe it always was. Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-39537862423642671732014-01-23T13:51:26.953+00:002014-01-23T13:51:26.953+00:00Thank you again, viterbo.
I think there are many w...Thank you again, viterbo.<br />I think there are many who stay within their comfort zone, that is, as far as reason takes them. As we would say, "Faith is a supernatural gift from God which enables us to believe whatever He has revealed". (Penny catechism, Q#9)<br />God bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-35192332942175514282014-01-23T13:47:16.416+00:002014-01-23T13:47:16.416+00:00Viterbo January 23
p.s. but then I guess if ...Viterbo January 23<br /><br />p.s. but then I guess if 'unitarians' were interested in the Truth they wouldn't be Unitarians, but confess the 'One God, and that in this One God there are three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; that the Son took to Himself the nature of man...' <br />viterbonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-32250517108198077452014-01-23T13:43:33.377+00:002014-01-23T13:43:33.377+00:00Thank you for this, viterbo.
I agree; those who ge...Thank you for this, viterbo.<br />I agree; those who genuinely seek the truth will rejoice to find it, but many seem to get only so far in their search and stop at where they feel comfortable. That there is one God can be ascertained by reason: there can be only one beginning to anything, so there can only be one beginning (one creator) to the universe. We could not come to knowledge of the Trinity by reason alone; it needed to be revealed to us by God in Christ. Revelation cannot necessarily be ascribed to those who are Unitarian in their belief; we might say they have a ‘natural faith’, while we have a ‘supernatural faith’. I don’t think it is so much that their ignorance is salvific, but that their genuine search for Truth (which is Christ) is salvific. I think the Church is saying that whoever is seeking the truth about God is actually seeking Christ but does not know it, and that it is this which allows grace to flow to them through the channel established by God –the Catholic Church. <br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-7328557683550189472014-01-23T09:42:18.199+00:002014-01-23T09:42:18.199+00:00'Liberals are content to ignore the Tradition ...'Liberals are content to ignore the Tradition so as to promote the ambiguities.' These ambiguities have pretty evident fruits.<br /><br /><br />Interesting answer and response, Father.<br /><br />I don't believe that the Truth is repugnant to muslims ipso facto, or indeed to anyone who heeds the call to seek. we are being taught to view false faiths these days in a way that says, the Truth that sets one free is not something we need to give to others, although because they find it 'repugnant' is new (IME many muslims find islam repugnant - but that's probably because the naughty west has perverted them).<br /><br />God made us for Truth. Christ was talking about everyone born and ever to be born when he extolled us to ask, seek, and knock, for the Truth and when he implored the Apostles to 'go forth'. If islam, and judaism, and akhenaton, and the freemasons' Great Architect, and the 'alien god' of the gnostics are the half-'truths' that still set one free because of there is a unitarian element which is ignorant of the Holy Trinity, then what other ignorances are salvific?<br /><br />In that case ignorance really is bliss.<br /><br />Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-70979743686854836162014-01-22T16:19:18.648+00:002014-01-22T16:19:18.648+00:00Hmm., far be it for me to contradict the Church, b...Hmm., far be it for me to contradict the Church, but I think the Muslims would repudiate the fact that they worship the same God as we do, and I suggest we need to acknowledge that. Let me say what I think answers your question regarding the text from today’s Office of Readings, which is from Lumen gentium.<br /><br />The Church, Islam and Judaism are all monotheistic religions, that is, all three worship the True God as they see Him, and profess to serve Him alone. Christianity is unique however, in that we worship the One Creator God as a Trinity of Persons. <br /><br />Even to speak of God as ‘Father’ is abhorrent to Muslims (never mind confessing in God a Son and Spirit who are co-eternal; co-omnipotent and co-omniscient). This being so, we might say that Christians worship the True God in His True Form; His Divinely Revealed Form. <br /><br />I think we are saying that since there is but one God and that Muslims, Jews and Christians all acknowledge this, we all worship the One True God, whether our perception of Him is accurate or not. The text is problematic in that it implies Muslims are happy to be presented as worshipping the same God as we do, when in fact worship of the Trinity is abhorrent to them. We need to respect them in holding their position, and refrain from implying something about them which is actually repugnant to them.<br />Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-32547072982019307622014-01-22T14:51:00.617+00:002014-01-22T14:51:00.617+00:00Dear Fr. Dickson & Mr. McDowell,
How timely y...Dear Fr. Dickson & Mr. McDowell,<br /><br />How timely your blogpost today was for me since I have a question regarding the Divine Office of Readings regarding Vatican II. It stated, "God’s plan of salvation embraces those also who acknowledge the Creator. Among these are especially the Mohammedans; they profess their faith as the faith of Abraham, and with us they worship the one, merciful God who will judge men on the last day." Is this accurate? I have read and heard just the opposite...that the Mohammedans (Islam?) do not profess nor worship the same God as we do, that their claim to Abraham is somehow perverted, and most certainly their false god judges quite differently than God along with what they will merit vs. what we hope to merit (eternal salvation). <br /><br />I'm so thankful to God that I found you through another link (God-incidence) this day!<br /><br />May God bless you,<br /> Mary's Child Mariannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06637930085304013298noreply@blogger.com