tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post4215638937985707628..comments2023-10-05T10:29:39.439+01:00Comments on Catholic Collar And Tie: Antagonism Toward The TLMAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049074568745678686noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-16319072102830655132014-09-10T11:21:54.195+01:002014-09-10T11:21:54.195+01:00Thank you, Lepanto.
I think this comment is sparki...Thank you, Lepanto.<br />I think this comment is sparking an idea for a blog post...but don't hold your breathe because it could be a while before I get the time to write it...<br />God BlessFr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-46110115906911942682014-09-10T00:05:58.211+01:002014-09-10T00:05:58.211+01:00I was a teenager when the New Mass was introduced....I was a teenager when the New Mass was introduced. It was a contradiction of everything that I had been taught as a child, which was that the Church being universal used a universal language (as do Islam and Judaism) so that a Mass in China was the same as a Mass in Poland which all could follow. Even at primary school we were taught to understand the parts of the Latin Mass and by age 11 could easily follow it. We were also taught that the Mass was eternal and could never be changed, that the host was the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ and there was no need for laypeople to receive the consecrated wine. All this was contrasted to Protestant communion services which was a memorial 'meal' and so was in the vernacular. How many of my generation must have been amazed to be told that, apparently the Protestants had it right all along and that the Council of Trent was wrong. The New Mass was a massive error intended to further 'ecumenism' by seeking to blur the externals of worship. It appears to have done nothing to attract Protestants to the faith but shook the faith of several generations of faithful Catholics.Lepantohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487748842744745860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-77488919654754825322014-09-09T09:02:13.865+01:002014-09-09T09:02:13.865+01:00Thank you Paul,
Indeed it is a whole identity and...Thank you Paul, <br />Indeed it is a whole identity and culture we need to recover. The TLM may be at the core of these but a core without a context is not a core at all, just an isolated oddity. <br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-24344309508537188772014-09-08T10:44:12.011+01:002014-09-08T10:44:12.011+01:00It's not just the TLM that is important. It is...It's not just the TLM that is important. It is the recovery of our selves as Catholics, our self realisation expressed in a really good God/Christ centred Orthodox Sermon.<br />You can have all the Birettas in the world and all the lace you want. Unless we recover our identity as members of Christ's Body the TLM is somewhat of an orphan. Put the two together and you will have the unstoppable fiery revival of Catholicism.<br />Oh why Oh why did the Church make such a mess? and why don't they admit it?Paul Hellyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12155821750459419187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-26544349702096907092014-09-08T10:23:59.898+01:002014-09-08T10:23:59.898+01:00Tank you for your comment.
My comment says Paul VI...Tank you for your comment.<br />My comment says Paul VI saw it as a faithful implementation of Vatican II. Others may disagree or agree with him.<br />God BlessFr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-52754843399651784682014-09-08T10:21:21.100+01:002014-09-08T10:21:21.100+01:00Thanks for asking for clarification, Father.
The c...Thanks for asking for clarification, Father.<br />The comment says there is nothing wrong in going in addition to a Novus Ordo Mass; it would be an act of devotion and give s soul spiritual stability. There is nothing wrong in that. <br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-83282190329864507962014-09-07T23:45:17.149+01:002014-09-07T23:45:17.149+01:00Fr. Dickson: you contradict yourself. The Missal o...Fr. Dickson: you contradict yourself. The Missal of Paul vi is not faithful to VII - it contains multiple canonsvetusta ecclesiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09454059029260192711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-87192652689139817182014-09-07T22:02:19.465+01:002014-09-07T22:02:19.465+01:00Andrew and Fr D, do you really 'see nothing wr...Andrew and Fr D, do you really 'see nothing wrong' with attending an SSPX mass? really honestly? are you serious?Fr Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-71386825368384993282014-09-05T10:06:30.947+01:002014-09-05T10:06:30.947+01:00Thank you.
We have lost a great deal since the com...Thank you.<br />We have lost a great deal since the community at Mass an the wider community became the focus of the Church.<br />God Bless you and yours. Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-7889640762635781922014-09-04T18:07:32.254+01:002014-09-04T18:07:32.254+01:00Dear anonymous, I believe the reason the TLM is n...Dear anonymous, I believe the reason the TLM is not liked is it is God centred rather than "I" centred. "Community" was already present in our SVP's , Women's league, Youth Clubs etc. all good work done with caring ways. Now we have nothing like this now we have less community to bring to the Mass.SallyAnnenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-70368279677173220152014-09-03T09:06:43.147+01:002014-09-03T09:06:43.147+01:00Thank you for commenting.
No one I know says those...Thank you for commenting.<br />No one I know says those who don't attend the TLM are Protestant.<br />Your experience of the TLM is not typical of today, though it may be of how it was said before we had it virtually removed from us and came to realise what we were in danger of losing .<br />Vatican II did not mention facing the people, communion in the hand or Extraordinary Ministers; it did authorise the continuance of Latin and removal of duplications from the TLM. It did not mention the need to compose new Canons etc., so you cannot really claim to be worshipping as Vatican II authorised, only as we have allowed the Pauline Missal to become. That Missal did not revoke Latin, Communion on the tongue or the altar-facing position: what we have today is very different from what Paul VI promulgated in his Missal as a faithful interpretation of the vatican II text.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-9584604063810815362014-09-03T00:20:24.106+01:002014-09-03T00:20:24.106+01:00Balderdash. The reason TLM is not liked is becaus...Balderdash. The reason TLM is not liked is because those who go say anyone elseis a Progtestant. I attended TLM for 21 years and there was no mention of a community, prayers were mumbled, very few if any came to communion and the silence was defeaning. Go ahead and have TLM but let me worship the way Vatican II authorizes me. Don't tell meit doesn't. That is a lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-78457111128272779622014-09-02T08:40:08.315+01:002014-09-02T08:40:08.315+01:00Thank you Paul.
I sse nothing wrong in going to a ...Thank you Paul.<br />I sse nothing wrong in going to a SSPX Mass in addition to your regular mass. You might need it to recover from some of the sloppiness you get at the 'regular' Masses!<br />God Bless. Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09049074568745678686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-91946454709651372722014-09-02T05:31:18.101+01:002014-09-02T05:31:18.101+01:00In the current situation in the Church where the H...In the current situation in the Church where the Holy Mass is celebrated in such a haphazard sloppy protestant way. Sometimes I go afterwards to theSSPX Holy Mass. Am I doing something wrong or are they actually part of the Holy Catholic Church? Paul Hellyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12155821750459419187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-32149056979708912042014-09-02T01:12:45.865+01:002014-09-02T01:12:45.865+01:00What you say is true, Jacobi. The TLM is hated bec...What you say is true, Jacobi. The TLM is hated because it tells the truth of the One True Faith, to the Intellect, to the soul. It is the most powerful conversion to the true Faith, from the practical atheism, Protestantism, etc., of so many Catholics who have been erroneously instructed in the Faith and have adopted the ways of the world and a contempt for the doctrine of the Faith, often led in this by their priests, bishops. Priests who know and are keep their sacred duties seriously ought to learn and begin to offer up the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in its traditional form. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-36518010594141992152014-08-31T23:15:43.439+01:002014-08-31T23:15:43.439+01:00Thank you, Jacobi.
many will agree with your comme...Thank you, Jacobi.<br />many will agree with your comment 100%; others will dismiss it completely.; others will waver. None can doubt that the Church has fallen into disrepair and is dwindling away to nothing.<br />God grant us the exaltation of Holy Mother Church.<br />God bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-41371646579940618572014-08-31T22:10:19.912+01:002014-08-31T22:10:19.912+01:00This is at the core of the present collapse in the...This is at the core of the present collapse in the Catholic Church, and collapse it is. I speak, incidentally, as one who normally attends the Novus Ordo but also the Vetus Ordo as and when I can, circa 25% of the time.<br /><br />The introduction of the Pauline Mass, well beyond the suggestions of Sacrosanctum Concilium was a triumph for the liberal/Relativist factions within the Church, so warned about by St Pius X. The Novus Ordo, in its current forms, implicitly attacks the Mass as a Sacrifice, the Real Presence and the Ordained Priesthood, as it was intended to do by the Relativists. And how successful they have been. It is banal, awkward, protestantised, as in the Pater Noster Doxology and indeed the Sign of Peace, and absurdly contrived, which why young people, as they get older, take the first chance to escape.<br /><br />In particular the turning from a universal language has led to National Churches, as in when we go to France, or even worse, here at home where the Polish community have drifted away into their own little Sunday morning world and no longer seem to mix with us.<br /><br />But as I have said before, the answer lies with you priests. Start saying a Vetus Ordo, and at 11.30 Sunday morning, not every third Thursday at 3.00 pm. Your bishop might get a bit peeved but won’t sack you. You are too valuable. <br />Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.com