tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post8078392184873216400..comments2023-10-05T10:29:39.439+01:00Comments on Catholic Collar And Tie: When is Dissent not Dissent? Dissent & The CatechismAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049074568745678686noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-36473429731885653542014-05-07T08:25:45.123+01:002014-05-07T08:25:45.123+01:00Thanks Dan.
Disaster is only close if we continue ...Thanks Dan.<br />Disaster is only close if we continue down the road of adapting everything to the pattern of this world and seeking the lowest levels of commitment. I hope the Holy Ghost has plans ahead to turn the Church back to a focus on eternity and heroic faith. <br />God BlessFr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-54138742731693529742014-05-06T23:15:12.198+01:002014-05-06T23:15:12.198+01:00It's not that far off though is it? I mean Vat...It's not that far off though is it? I mean Vatican 2 was the precursor event that opened the way to communion in the hand.Dan Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-82715844140690262762014-05-05T18:24:15.707+01:002014-05-05T18:24:15.707+01:00Thank you, Lepanto.
Unfortunately Vatican II is st...Thank you, Lepanto.<br />Unfortunately Vatican II is still being used as the reason why many things happen that the Council did not authorise or even mention. It is a frequent tactic of those who say they support the Council when in fact they abuse it and use it as their support uncontrolled progressivism. <br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-72968243942879010432014-05-05T13:05:28.994+01:002014-05-05T13:05:28.994+01:00Thank you for this post. I have sometimes been ast...Thank you for this post. I have sometimes been astonished at the ignorance of priests and their failure to check the facts before giving opinions and answers. A friend recently overheard our PP tell an enquirer that "Vatican II allowed Communion in the Hand'. Totally false information which the hearer will no doubt repeat citing an experienced and aged priest as source. Lepantohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487748842744745860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-91661302458466599032014-05-05T10:06:02.861+01:002014-05-05T10:06:02.861+01:00Thank you, Father.
There seems to be a lack of app...Thank you, Father.<br />There seems to be a lack of appreciation for doctrine and a firm foundation in doctrine throughout the Church. There is DEFINITELY an attitude that all began in 1965.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-63629922007241771772014-05-05T02:44:59.713+01:002014-05-05T02:44:59.713+01:00Excellent post, imho. Thank you.
My problem is tha...Excellent post, imho. Thank you.<br />My problem is that many of our bishops do not seem to know much doctrine, and would appear to be ignorant of even Church history pre 1960's. Some seem to think that Doctrine began with Vat II.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-6367042502983782832014-05-04T08:16:07.653+01:002014-05-04T08:16:07.653+01:00Thank you, Jacobi.
As you say, deepen (or penetrat...Thank you, Jacobi.<br />As you say, deepen (or penetration) of doctrine is what we mean by development. The image of the acorn growing into a tree also works, since the more we understand something the wider our knowledge of it becomes. the essential thing is that all development must be consistent with what has gone before, though as you say, trying to return to earlier doctrinal understanding a ditch development is nonsense -who wants to go back to ancient medicine?<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-74213008143286692562014-05-03T22:16:04.059+01:002014-05-03T22:16:04.059+01:00The understanding of doctrine can develop, yes, bu...The understanding of doctrine can develop, yes, but I would prefer the word deepen. It certainly cannot evolve or change, nor should we go back to earlier and less complete understandings as was and indeed still is popular in so much of the post Vat II erroneous thinking, commonly known as False Archaeologism.<br /><br />Dissent is, I understand, when already established belief is publicly challenged. It causes scandal. An example would be saying that people, for instance in mortal sin as in an irregular marriage, may receive Holy Communion, without committing further grave sin, if they really love each other or some such rubbish like that. That is wrong. End of story!<br /><br />On the other hand, I believe that in war, certainly WWI, general conditional and even personal expression of sorrow and repentance were accepted for Communion before battle – provided the sinner got to sacramental confession, ASAP, after the battle, assuming he survived.<br /><br />You are right Father in saying that many in the Church today dissent from Catholic teaching. Now I have no problems with that. It is a free world after. But I object very much to them calling themselves “Catholics”.<br />Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-69566461257568519572014-05-03T08:53:26.030+01:002014-05-03T08:53:26.030+01:00Thank you, viterbo.
You are spot on -people have a...Thank you, viterbo.<br />You are spot on -people have an idea that what went before can be wrong because, as I've been told, "we didn't know as much then" and "we were too defensive". Knowing more does not mean knowing the opposite, and defence is protection. Truly, if more people used the Baltimore Catechism (or the Penny Catechism in the UK) we would be better off. These Catechisms cannot be 'wrong' unless someone has changed the Faith, and if they have changed the Faith they have lost the Faith, opting for distortion rather than development.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-58851407851464246472014-05-03T08:47:29.573+01:002014-05-03T08:47:29.573+01:00Thank you for commenting, Janet.
I have no objecti...Thank you for commenting, Janet.<br />I have no objection to you using the post elsewhere, I shall have to visit your site...it sounds as though you will become a regular read or me.<br />God Bless you and yours.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-49769163226774460092014-05-03T07:40:28.799+01:002014-05-03T07:40:28.799+01:00So true, Father.
The situation goes, catechist or...So true, Father.<br /><br />The situation goes, catechist or fr. w, x or y taught me such and such, and then catechist or fr. or respected catholic author (who may be all three) z teaches that and this. And it's usually, well the others were wrong or slightly wrong (meaning wrong). And so you go back, to the Baltimore Catechism and back to the Saints and Trent to see what the Church was saying 'then'. And then, somehow, you've mistinterpreted the Church 'then', because doctrine (or a least the 'understanding' of it) 'evolves' which is why the Church needed 'updating' which is why I always seem to be in the 'wrong'. Not very rock-like.Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-62971410934840131372014-05-03T07:08:01.716+01:002014-05-03T07:08:01.716+01:00Thank you, Father, for such a clear and simple exp...Thank you, Father, for such a clear and simple explanation. My husband, who is a regular visitor to your blog, just read it to me. May I re-post it on my Into the Deep blog at www.stoneswillshout.com/wp please? Into the Deep is a lay Catholic publication here in south-eastern Australia, trying to battle with the dissenters (and folk blinded by 50 years of loose teaching!) of our day. We too exhort Catholics to "check everything against the Catechism". Sound advice!Janethttp://www.stoneswillshout.com/wpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-20417855916202752022014-05-02T23:11:37.785+01:002014-05-02T23:11:37.785+01:00Thank you, Joseph.
Thank God for your own good tea...Thank you, Joseph.<br />Thank God for your own good teachers who have given you a sound formation. You were blest to have solid men teaching you, since it was men of the same decade who allowed so much that is questionable to creep into the Church. <br />God bless you and yours.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-6854001667665630572014-05-02T23:06:40.800+01:002014-05-02T23:06:40.800+01:00Thank you Paul.
Shambles can be a very good word t...Thank you Paul.<br />Shambles can be a very good word to describe the confusion and dissension that we see in Holy Mother today.<br />God Bless you and yours.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-28631956841990127892014-05-02T21:13:03.463+01:002014-05-02T21:13:03.463+01:00Thank you for this much needed guidance Father. I ...Thank you for this much needed guidance Father. I am so grateful for the fact that I was taught by the Marist Fathers in the 1950s and it is so easy to forget that not everyone was so fortunate in being taught our glorious faith in its entirety.Joseph Bracewellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-18306449729150072412014-05-02T20:54:49.147+01:002014-05-02T20:54:49.147+01:00It seems that the Church is in the hands of those ...It seems that the Church is in the hands of those who do not care about the Truth. Popularity, cooperation with the secular zeitgeist, accommodation is their main concern. What a complete shambles has come after the 'springtime' of Vat2 . . . Paul Hellyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12155821750459419187noreply@blogger.com