tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post5920567538931073479..comments2023-10-05T10:29:39.439+01:00Comments on Catholic Collar And Tie: The Glory and Power of Latin LiturgyAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049074568745678686noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-8082224919810046192016-03-06T10:26:58.026+00:002016-03-06T10:26:58.026+00:00Thank you, vetusta ecclesia.
People will complain ...Thank you, vetusta ecclesia.<br />People will complain about anything in the liturgy that is not pedestrian, I think, as long as liturgy is seen as something to affirm the people rather than the adoration, propitiating and petitioning of Almighty God.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-20651483998207821522016-03-03T23:20:13.280+00:002016-03-03T23:20:13.280+00:00People eschew Latin and want their own language, y...People eschew Latin and want their own language, yet then complain that non-Latin rites, or variations, such as that of the Ordinariate, are "divisive".vetusta ecclesiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09454059029260192711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-66060150037443528532016-03-03T12:03:59.343+00:002016-03-03T12:03:59.343+00:00Thank you Pelerin.
The dislikes are to be expected...Thank you Pelerin.<br />The dislikes are to be expected; their is a massive resistance to anything that requires effort in today's Church, which thinks it can convert and retain by the feel-good factor. Precipitous lapsation demonstrates that this is not the case, but many are blind to it (or close their eyes to it) because it asks things of them, I think; first being effort; the second an admission that their direction over the last 50 years has more than failed: it has been damaging. <br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-4062713527773472692016-03-02T20:47:25.892+00:002016-03-02T20:47:25.892+00:00Hear hear Father. It'a sad to see 4 votes disl...Hear hear Father. It'a sad to see 4 votes disliking your post.<br /><br />You mentioned Lourdes and their 'International Mass' which I stopped attending on my annual visit due to the interminable additions in half a dozen languages. (I asked myself do I stand for the Gospel read in French which I understand; do I remain standing for the English version a repeat of what I have just heard; and how about the Italian which I can get the gist of and the German which I do not understand at all?) I usually had to sit down anyway before the Gospel has been finished in allthe chosen languages of the day.)<br /><br />I am sure I have read somewhere that the new Bishop of Tarbes et Lourdes has referred to this as the Tower of Babel and is going to work on this and I have noticed since his arrival more Latin being used especially in the processional chants.Pelerinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14243859145007696053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-79399832378640266662016-03-02T18:25:41.200+00:002016-03-02T18:25:41.200+00:00Thank you David. If people do not know they are s...Thank you David. If people do not know they are saying the Creed after the homily, or the Glroia after the Kyrie, or the Sanctus after the preface, they are not aware of the liturgy and its parts -and they have been celebrating them in those places in the vernacular for the last 50 years. The use of the vernacular in places like Lourdes does not show the universality of the Church but the nationalism of various Churches as each language group wanders off to their own place for the very celebration that unites us all in God: Holy Mass. Such a sight is reminiscent of the tower of babel in my opinion. <br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-65110491113401638642016-03-02T18:20:30.078+00:002016-03-02T18:20:30.078+00:00Thank you Paul. The major shrines are ideally suit...Thank you Paul. The major shrines are ideally suited to the use of Latin liturgy. the International Mass at Lourdes was nicknamed by some pilgrims I met (including fellow priests) as the 'International Mess'. Shortened versions of the Gospel in several languages does not to enhance the liturgy and is contrary to the very idea of Vatican II that duplications be avoided. My stand is 'One faith, one language'. <br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-52642303707570625392016-02-29T20:53:46.427+00:002016-02-29T20:53:46.427+00:00Excellent post.
Disunity is particularly acute at...Excellent post.<br /><br />Disunity is particularly acute at the major shrines. Whenever I've been to Medjugorje or Lourdes, I've often thought it a shame that pilgrims have to be divided into their own language groups for Mass, rather than being united at a Latin Mass (although I appreciate multicast translations would still be needed for the readings and homily). Even when an "international rosary" is prayed or an "international chant" is sung at these places, you never hear any Latin. They just take turns praying or singing in English, French, German, Italian, Spanish and one or two Eastern European languages... all of which can be rather patronising and defeatist.<br /><br />Paul Hall_4_gzushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815114731224885181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-36529420594223407012016-02-24T22:21:16.585+00:002016-02-24T22:21:16.585+00:00How truly right Father Gary. I have spoken to prie...How truly right Father Gary. I have spoken to priests who 'cannot celebrate' the EF Mass because they 'don't know Latin'. As you rightly say one doesn't need to know the nuances of the language to use it. How many of us when young boys served Mass without knowing word for word what we were saying (how many still serve in that manner)? The ideal of the Latin language used within the worship of the Church is to promote & celebrate the unity of the Church.<br />Going to Mass abroad used to present no problems (a former canon called this the 'Cooks Tour argument) but nowadays you don't need to go abroad to find yourself lost when there are so many options available & even some priests who make up the Mass as they go along. How sad & worrying for the future of the ChurchDavid O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.com