tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post3130560176926818144..comments2023-10-05T10:29:39.439+01:00Comments on Catholic Collar And Tie: The Law and the LiturgyAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049074568745678686noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-44419086295194065252016-03-23T16:07:09.733+00:002016-03-23T16:07:09.733+00:00Sorry for the late publishing/reply; Life is a bit...Sorry for the late publishing/reply; Life is a bit stressful at the moment.<br />The argument goes that Quo Primum is a law not a doctrinal statement, and laws made by man can be changed by man. There is a sense in which quo primum and Trent declared the Latin Mass perfect and that might have doctrinal imports, but a Pope cannot tie the hands of a future pope in mere positive law. All Popes are bound to Divine Law and the deposit of faith but the ceremonies of the Mass are not, in any form, of unchangeable nature. I hope that helps.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-43541208807979604092016-03-10T22:29:07.601+00:002016-03-10T22:29:07.601+00:00Father, i know you are fond of the latin mass but ...Father, i know you are fond of the latin mass but you also celebrate the novus ordo. So i wanted to ask you something i have been asking other catholics and have not been able to get an answer. How is the new rite of the mass. The mass of paul vi reconciled to quo primum and the council of trent. Where it says the latin mass is to be celebrated henceforth now and forever. Maybe there is a valid explination i have not recieved one from other catholic laymen. Its not that i doubt the novus ordo's validity as that would call into question the protection of the church through Christ. But rather if the novus ordo is licit and indeed all of the new rites introduced after v2... not that they are invalid but are they licit?<br /><br />Daviddavidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-26179995217146780562016-03-07T22:11:02.311+00:002016-03-07T22:11:02.311+00:00Thank you, Jacobi.
The 1965 Missal wasn't too ...Thank you, Jacobi.<br />The 1965 Missal wasn't too bad. It is the 1970 Missal with which we struggle today -it does indeed provide for chaos with so many options available to priests.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-55015613746319176182016-03-07T22:08:27.660+00:002016-03-07T22:08:27.660+00:00Thanks for a good question.
I don't think chal...Thanks for a good question.<br />I don't think challenge is per se disrespectful. If the hierarchy are being unfaithful to previous magisterial teaching they are being unfaithful to the sacred deposit which to which the faithful have a right. Vatican II reminded us that the laity "are, by reason of the knowledge, competence or outstanding ability which they may enjoy, permitted and sometimes even obliged to express their opinion on those things which concern the good of the Church" (Lumen gentium 37).<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-61063290970506579632016-03-07T17:59:44.681+00:002016-03-07T17:59:44.681+00:00I see in your guidance that those who challenge th...I see in your guidance that those who challenge the Magisterium are asked to do so respectfully. Surely for a Catholic to challenge the Magisterium is per se disrespectful?vetusta ecclesiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09454059029260192711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-89883003404123051632016-03-07T08:10:48.731+00:002016-03-07T08:10:48.731+00:00Law, whether secular or Church is getting a bad pr...Law, whether secular or Church is getting a bad press, today, not just in the the sixties<br /><br />Without law we have disorder, chaos, and that applies to the secular world as well as to the Church.<br /><br />Yes, sometimes a quick decision has to be made, such as whether to dispose of the “Pope's nose “ crew. Anyone who has read the book will know what I am referring to. I know what I would have done!<br /><br />But that is not the point. What is important is that clarity in Church teaching so that we all know where we are and can decide whether Confession is subsequently appropriate <br /><br />As for the chaos resulting from the Pauline 1965 Mass with its descent into various shambolic national and language variations and its absence of young people, that is a result of ignoring the law as expressed in Quo Primum. Pope St. Pius V - July 14, 1570. Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-48870581336263698672016-03-06T10:22:15.483+00:002016-03-06T10:22:15.483+00:00Thank you. Eamonn.
Yes, the ordinary Form does len...Thank you. Eamonn.<br />Yes, the ordinary Form does lend itself to antinomianism by the use of the single phrase 'in these or similar words', which many seem to apply to every text of the Missal. To be fair, the GIRM says that Eucharistic Prayer II is 'more appropriate for weekdays', which would seem to say that the others are not so suitable for weekdays, rather than that EP II cannot be used on Sundays.<br />to mu mind, the only solution to the current state of liturgical dissonance is for Bishops to have all priests issued with a summation of Redemptionis Sacramentum and see that it is followed. To my mind, it should not be hard for a priest to submit to liturgical law since it reminds him in his undoubted humility that he is servant of the liturgy, not its lord and master.<br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-3940688119091316842016-03-06T10:14:41.052+00:002016-03-06T10:14:41.052+00:00Ir is the mix and match attitude that sows the ord...Ir is the mix and match attitude that sows the ordinary Form to be community-centred rather than God-centred, for we see celebrants choose the hymns and style in order to please the congregation and keep them attentive. If their faith is not enough to keep them attentive to the Mass, something is wrong. <br />God Bless.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-9164178301308651212016-03-05T10:53:32.243+00:002016-03-05T10:53:32.243+00:00Your point is well-taken, Father but I wonder if t...Your point is well-taken, Father but I wonder if the Ordinary Form doesn't lend itself to antinomianism? When there are a dozen options, how are we to tell what is or is not permitted? When things are solemnly laid down as obligatory but a loophole is opened the next moment, it's very hard for people to know what is truly binding and what is merely this celebrants' or parishes' preference. That preference might nor might not be licit but how are we to tell? I've read repeatedly that Eucharistic Prayer II is not to be used on Sundays, yet it is and frequently so. I bet if I went looking I could find a loophole that allows this too. Following the Church's liturgical law is an excellent thing and I give thanks for priests who do; it's only a start though. The laws themselves need fixing too...Éamonnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11560394580179348894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-76262056077729526652016-03-04T13:14:43.053+00:002016-03-04T13:14:43.053+00:00This shows up regularly when celebrants in the OF ...This shows up regularly when celebrants in the OF 'mix & match' the manner in which they celebrate the Mass. No doubt some think that (because there are so many alternatives on offer) they can please themselves. Sadly this can make (certainly in my case) a decision often made to attend OF Mass (which, although a traditionalist I accept as totally valid) dependent on who the celebrant is. Happily we seem always in the EF Mass to have the rubrics followed fully & carefully as it should be (as you say Fr) because it is offered to God for the people. David O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.com