tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post3077000662454805934..comments2023-10-05T10:29:39.439+01:00Comments on Catholic Collar And Tie: Pastsoral Sensitivity is Endangering SoulsAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049074568745678686noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-85557340714623866272014-01-08T13:42:00.945+00:002014-01-08T13:42:00.945+00:00God bless you and yours Brandma. I have a sibling ...God bless you and yours Brandma. I have a sibling who's been married five times, with various children here and there, or, already gone to their reward. as far as I know the truth is a marriage that has been recognised as bound by Christ's Apostolic sons, is bound. the only way forward is chastity. but how responsible is one for all those adulterous relationships of all those who have been cast off?<br /><br />Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-45783312782528917712014-01-07T10:53:20.898+00:002014-01-07T10:53:20.898+00:00Thank you Lynda.
I think it is not only unpastoral...Thank you Lynda.<br />I think it is not only unpastoral to lead souls into sin (or leave them there) but dangerous to the soul and to the preacher. You are right: Pastoral practice is always at the service of Church teaching on Faith and morals and oriented to the salvation of souls.<br />God blessFr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-23243144972841409242014-01-07T04:42:33.034+00:002014-01-07T04:42:33.034+00:00It is extremely unpastoral to lead those in one...It is extremely unpastoral to lead those in one's spiritual care into grave sin by commission or omission. Pastoral practice is always at the service of Church teaching on Faith and morals and oriented to the salvation of souls. Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714204002726632689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-14102173656130938772014-01-06T23:58:48.462+00:002014-01-06T23:58:48.462+00:00Thank you for the comment, Damask Rose.
You are r...Thank you for the comment, Damask Rose. <br />You are right of course, the idea of a Pastoral 'Solution' is indeed a can of worms, since it usually means nothing more than ignoring the situation into which folk have fallen. Pastoral Sensitivity must not be of the same order; it cannot exclude informing folk why there situation is wrong; that their situation must be changed in response to God's love for them, and reminding them to refrain from Holy Communion until they have left the situation behind. <br /><br />I share your concerns about honouring the Blessed Sacrament and how we handle It, and while I am not sure familiarity breeds positive contempt, it certainly seems to breed an unrecognised flippancy which leads to a negligence that probably does not arise from invincible ignorance.<br /><br />On behalf of my brother priests I have to say we do not usually know whose relationships are irregular, especially since we are moved so regularly from parish to parish and cannot really get to know the parish families well, and that when we are aware it is very hard to turn someone away at the altar rail which may scandalise many souls who thus turn souls away from the Church. Sadly, nothing is simple in these days of pastoral sensitivity...Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-30692693938175051602014-01-06T23:15:54.083+00:002014-01-06T23:15:54.083+00:00It's the "can of worms opening" Past...It's the "can of worms opening" Pastoral Solution, that no doubt being a soft touch for adulterers will eventually allow practicing sodomites go up for their priestly blessing and accompany their adopted children in attending the First Holy Communion Breakfast. And the Catholics will just go along with it all.<br /><br />"...Holy Communion can only be permitted when the situation is left behind, which is why they should be encouraged to attend Mass but not to receive Holy Communion there."<br /><br />This is failing. OK, it very importantly prevents sacrilegious communions, but people living in irregular situations are going up every Sunday getting their "priestly blessing". They're being blessed for their sinning while the priest is holding the Blessed Sacrament in his hands. Perhaps these priest would like to bless these hardened mortal sinners with the Host - why not? People are deceived into thinking that the sinning is OK. My parish priest every Sunday, especially big Feast Days asks people to come up for their priestly blessing if they're living in irregular situations. I remember seeing divorced and remarrieds (aka adulterers) just remaining in the pew, everybody (and them too) knew it was their wilful choice to remain in a situation where they could not swallow the Blessed Sacrament. Sometimes a visual catechesis is better. They certainly aren't catechising now.<br /><br />One of the things I can't bear to see is Eucharistic Ministers go the Tabernacle and get the Hosts out during Communion time for reasons I won't elaborate here.<br /><br />What it all boils down to is the Blessed Sacrament, Communion. Familiarity breeds contempt.Damask Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12903564104733536123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-43964220735837201862014-01-06T19:30:36.460+00:002014-01-06T19:30:36.460+00:00Thank you for the comment.
I think you note three ...Thank you for the comment.<br />I think you note three central points: governments are setting the moral scene by legitimising what the Gospel prohibits; Catechesis is needed, and people are still unhappy in lives based upon lies/errors.<br />Sadly, with the break up of marriages being so high, and homosexual pairings now legitimised by the State, these family situations aren't so rare as they ought to be.<br />God bless you and yours.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-36893940041179993082014-01-06T19:24:40.745+00:002014-01-06T19:24:40.745+00:00Thank you for the comment.
Indeed, reception of th...Thank you for the comment.<br />Indeed, reception of the sacraments is for those who leave sinful situations behind and seek God's help to remain free from such situations. Hopefully those priest or deacon involved makes it clear that receiving Holy Communion can only be permitted when the situation is left behind, which is why they should be encouraged to attend Mass but not to receive Holy Communion there.<br />God bless you and yours.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-69740408823689862682014-01-06T19:19:25.784+00:002014-01-06T19:19:25.784+00:00Thank you for the comment.
You ask a difficult set...Thank you for the comment.<br />You ask a difficult set of questions. The daughter in question seems to have a quite solid belief in the existence of a deity but not in God as known through the Catholic Faith, since she seems to have abandoned Catholicism so easily. Her father does indeed have the duty to point out the error of her current thinking and show her how right the Catholic Faith is, but his duty would thus seem to be more or less done, with occasional reminders alone the way (without falling into constant badgering). I'm not sure we can counsel him to close the door completely by refusing her entry into all family events; it would perhaps depend upon the situation (a family wedding is different to a family funeral). <br />God bless you and yours.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-88950040397323282172014-01-06T15:31:41.314+00:002014-01-06T15:31:41.314+00:00how does one treat a daughter who was a good catho...how does one treat a daughter who was a good catholic. got married young had a child then divorced with an annulment. Remarried had two more children. met a Muslim from the middle east. divorced her second husband. became a Muslim married her new man in an Islamic ceremony. so she has three children three husbands and now says she is a Moslem. The fathers duty is to rebuke the sinner, as taught by Christ. Additionally she is excluded from family events by the father. If she repents or shows some kind of regret at all the hurt she has caused her parents and siblings then I am only too happy to forgive.<br />Paul Hellyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12155821750459419187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-50177905599607684252014-01-06T12:47:39.678+00:002014-01-06T12:47:39.678+00:00Thank you, Father.
Perhaps we ought to be careful...Thank you, Father.<br /><br />Perhaps we ought to be careful about "reception of the sacraments", it being likely in the current climate to be interpreted as approving sacrilegious communions? Simon Plattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641832955811669058.post-30373505448966726552014-01-06T12:00:21.574+00:002014-01-06T12:00:21.574+00:00it's a hard road, Father, and pastoral sentimi...it's a hard road, Father, and pastoral sentimientality or worse indifference encourages more of the carnage that accompanies sin. if people could be made to understand that 'love', such an abused word and concept, is accepting responsibilty for others and onself. but we live in a world where governments are responsible for everything, and governments teach and legitamise the most appalling distortions of love and the family. for those who get tangled up in this mess of sin, clear speaking, clear action, and concerned catechesis is much needed. God made us Truth seekers, or at least needers. that's why the world is so miserable, with its happy nice lies. if only more priests preached that the natural law is simply the way things should be, and further, celibacy is not a sin of selfishness. as for children given in to the messy selfishness of unnatural 'families', kids aren't stupid they know they've been conned. I don't envy this pastoral task, but surely it must be rare?<br /><br />that said, Christ was never slow to rebuke sin, or mean on offering mercy to the sincere penitent. St Paul was a bit more rash. two or more lapses and bye bye...perhaps he simply had the gift of seeing that ultimately someone would always be more in love with their sin, than their Saviour.<br /><br />Our Lady, refuge of sinners, rescue us all from such a 'love'.Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.com